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Punk Culture, or Lack Thereof by Greenmuse
The state of punk today is appalling, in
this subculture we have, our own police, so if you get out of hand, they
will be the first to let you know. And we have the purists, if your band
has more than 3 chords a song, you aint punk. And we have the most dangerous
to our culture, the impersonators, these people are the ones who give punk
a bad name, these people feed the impression that all punk is a fashion
fad, and feed the stereotype that all punks are lazy no good glue sniffers.
Do you think the media is interested in a unified group of people with
similar ideals, that just happen to go against the norm, or do you think
the media would be more interested in buffoons beating the crap out of
one another over trivial issues, fueled by drugs, and hatred of the norm?
The answer is obvious, and this is how punk gets its “image” which is detrimental
to all punks, any other people that may get lumped in with punks. I’m sure
you have heard the story of Brian Deneke, but for those who hadn’t let
me summarize: .Brian Deneke was a punk, and was out with his friends, maybe
drinking a little, hurting no one, when the redneck/prep people that are
respected members of society came over started some trouble and a fight
ensued. Well Brian was leaving the scene of the mayhem, and one of the
opposing people, hit and ran over him in a car, replying ”I’m a ninja in
my caddy” there’s even a witness in the car hearing him say this, obviously
no accident. Well in the court case I believe this guy got some probation
time. Because of punks image this clown got off scot-free. This is what
makes the imposter the most dangerous member of the punk sub culture. I
guess what I’m saying is, think people! Don’t fall in to the trap of an
image, don’t screw up a movement/lifestyle because you want to fit in.
real punks will accept you for who you are, usally. For the record, I don’t
fit the punk stereotype; I don’t own a leather jacket, no liberty spikes
on my noggin, usually not a violent person. On the other hand, I do have
a pair of doc martens, (nabbed ‘em on sale for 20) I consider myself a
reasonably open person, free thinking, kind hearted, I feel this is what
most punks usually are, not the buffoons of the stereotype. But every now
and again people want to play punk police, everyone is guilty of it, every
time someone utters you aint a punk, you like the offspring! Congrats,
that’s a punk police.
Note. My Brian Deneke story maybe off,
it’s been awhile since I read it.
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Posted by Ashy:
I love punks..they do their own things and its great i think and i love the crazy hair styles and all that sh!t! its mad .cya guys
Posted by dont judge what ya dont know!:
ok if all u guys on herego what punk is all about u wouldnt try and explain what punk is coz punk is just wat ever u want it to be so everyone just chill and enjoy all the great music that we all have access to!
Posted by Roisin:
feck i hate good charlotte... my god... that whole "riot girl" song will be the death of me
Posted by SewerMouth:
I hate posers! Enough said. People beiliev these days that punks not dead! "Its on sale at the mall for $9.99!" They are so wrong! Punk is in the soul, it's attitude! Punk culture is not based on lyrics, U.K. anarchy, or fashion; it's ATTITUDE!
Posted by Jaded by life:
new bomb turks*
Posted by jaded by life:
ill admit my first few things were a tad hot headed... and then i sat down and took the time to rationalize my thoughts and this is what i got.. by the way im going to warped tour.. because im about the bands... not what people think of the bands and what genre they classify as! any way here you go....
If you look punk up in the dictionary, well dictionary.com to be exact here is what you will find.
punk.
-Dry decayed wood, used as tinder.
-Any of various substances that smolder when ignited, used to light fireworks.
-Chinese incense.
adj. Slang
- Of poor quality; worthless.
- Weak in spirits or health.
PUNK
Slang.
-A young person, especially a member of a rebellious counterculture group.
-An inexperienced young man.
-Music.
SLANG. A young man who is the sexual partner of an older man.
Archaic. A prostitute.
While its apparent the punk we talk of here is not the young man who is the sexual partner of an older man, or one who is of weak quality and worthless. But we can say punk is music and one who plays this music is in fact a punk rocker. So where can the statement “ohh yeah hes punk” fit into this. It can if you mean hes the music. But no one means that. Punk music is a genre of music. It has soul, and meaning to the people who wrote it. And many other people can find meaning it. Punk is not Britney spears on stage with her vagina hanging out singing about how horrible her life is. No that’s just funny and sickening at the same time! Punk is not the clothes you wear. Punk is not the people you associate with. Punk is not the job you have. Punk is not the color of your skin. Punk is not where you shop. Punk is not what you drive. Punk is not where you hang out. Punk is not what you do. PUNK IS NOT…. That can go on for ever. But no one here seems to be able to agree on what punk is. When punk was played by bands such as the dead Kennedy’s they played what they felt. Their thoughts. SO maybe punk is a feeling. But maybe not. Isnt the whole classification of “punk” just going the whole unity thing. So I agree with the people hear who say its not abot the music and much as its about being you self and not thinking your punk. I love blink. I love the new bomb truks. I enjoy hanson… yes mmm bop… I love the voodoo glow skulls. And Zeke and Pennywise and h20 and I even enjoy listening to avril. SO I listen to the songs I find meaning in. and that’s all that maters to me. I wear all black. I wear pink. I wear what I feel like wearing and blast Godsmack to the dislike of some of my friends. … my neighbors and family. But I don’t care. So call me what you will. But stop obsessing over who is punk… and just enjoy the music. Because as far as I can tell the only thing that can be defined as punk is the music. SO PUNK IS THE MUSIC! And if you are the music. Then you are punk!
Posted by dead rose.:
i agree wit jaded.punk is just one giant stero type stero typing everyone else. what makes you a punk if you have to be like all the other punks. nothing. that makes you a conformist.. which is kinda anti punk!
Posted by jaded by life:
and bands that arnt considered punk.. like something corporate play warped tour... so do you consider youself selling out?
Posted by jaded by life:
so after my post... i started reading the other posts. whats the matter with you people. people in the "punk scene" cant stand people in the pop scene just because of their taste is music. but now that more people are listening to the punk that you dont consider good enough they are crowding the sceene? and andrew all the way at the bottom.. needs to get him self help if he though that was funny. NO ONE ever deserves to be murdered. that was somebodys son you are talking about. dont you get he didnt come home for dinner one night and never will again? whats the matter with you.
Posted by jaded by life:
...Punk. What does it mean. to older people a punk is anyone who doesnt follow the rules. you know youve heard your grandfather yelling about the punk who drove too fast down the street and screwed up his whole day or what ever the hell spoils old peoples days. But to modern society people look at punk as those weird kids who wear vintage clothing make crude jokes and play in bands Well you know what although it sucks that punks are stereo typed they do the same thing. ohh shes not punk she likes blink. ohhh hes not punk hes wearing aero! Well you know what the world sucks because of idiots who have nothing better to do with their time then sterotype people. I thought punk was about the muisic and just beinmg yourself and not caring about other peoples opinions of the music you listen to and the friends you choose. punk should be more then the image you give... but about your self and your beleifs apparently its not. its about the image "punks" feel they need to hold. So why cant someone be punk and listen to
Ten Foot Pole, and also have sum 41 in their cd player. Its attitudes like that that cause the world of punk to be looked down on. so maybe if the "punks" would wake the hell up and pull their heads out of their asses... theyd realize punk is about the music and about beleifs and about the freedom. not the image. real people dont fit into stereo types. Lucky for me i hate everyone.
Posted by thedudewivnoname:
Punk is freedom
Posted by I love jesus, too:
great, you said it well thankyou
Posted by i love Jesus:
So just b/c you listen to Sum 41 and Good Charlotte you absolutely cannot be punk? A bit exclusivist, now are we? I don't buy that. Someone could listen to them in addition to true punk bands; there's no rule that says you have to listen exclusively to punk to be considered punk.
Posted by the duke:
What the f###!! I'll admit that i only read the first few posts, so if someone already said this i'm sorry but I'm gonna give a run-down of PUNK. Avril Lavine isnt punk.....just because your wearing a tie doesn't make you a punk it's a lifestyle people! People who listen to bands like Sum41 and good charlotte are worse then not-punk. How come other punk bands don't get more air-time then them??? Probably because their not as good right?? WRONG! It's because they haven't sold out. And because they say their punk, all the people who arent punk start thinking those sissies are us!
Posted by britkid:
interesting... rancid is spoken of as though they are one of the few band left who support the true values of punk- anti capitalism, anti consumerism, individualism... so, why do they play at such a commercialized event like the warped tour where a bottle of water is 3.50 and the show itself is sponsored by Target - one of the least socially concious companies out there. My point is that its impossible to be completely authentic. you guys are refuting music like good charlotte because you think its so manufactured and commercialized. These days, its impossible not to be.
Posted by aimes:
so..... the real problem with punk culture is that in itself it's a contradiction. Countercultures work to counter authority and cirtique mainstream society. They want to change things. however, change can never occur because as soon as the mainstream starts to accept them or expand them in anyway, the 'punk police' arrive. IF the purpose of a countercultures existence is refutation and this purpose is taken away, the counterculture will cease to exist.
Posted by doog ettolrahc si doog:
Star f*cker umm no yeah Rancid rocks but so does other bands like good charlotte. they don't whine. so i don't know what your problem is. maybe you should listen to their f*ckin lyrics before you go pissin people off with you gc sucks speach. avril sucks and hot topic is cool so quit talkin sh*t about it.
Posted by Star F*cker:
Punk is about the music. But punk is not only the music. Punk consists of the feelings that you get from said music. Punk is not a fashion. And it is not something that can be labled and it will never die. As a friend once said, you are not your music. you are not what's in your CD player. you are not punk. you are not emo.
you are not goth. you are not the contents of your mp3 folder. you are not your favorite f*cking band. Punk is not something you can be. But punk is something you can believe in. Avril Lavigne is not punk in the since that she does not grasp the concept of punk. Things from Hot Topic are lies that try to cover up punk. Buying pants with holes and safety pins already in them defeats the purpose. Good Charlotte is not punk, Good Charlotte is the same as all those other bands, they're so scenester and do not grasp the concept of punk. Plus, all Good Charlotte does is whine. They remind me more of emo than anything. You do not have to be destructive to be punk. You only have to understand. There are few bands that still are together that I consider punk. NOFX and Rancid are a couple. They may be fairly popular but their morals stay the same. Same with AFI.
Posted by Riot_against_the_gov.:
Avril is SH*T
Posted by what ever:
you people must have lost your minds. It is a site to talk about what you think of punks not what you think of other people. I think that punks are punks. Not every think is about f#cken music its a way os life.
Posted by Riot Grrrl:
Avril Lavigne wouldn't know Riot Grrrl or punk music if it but her in the @ss. She's played on mainstream radio, sings about fakie teen angst, used to be a country singer, and she is nothing but Mandy Moore shopping at Hot Topic. REAL Punk rockers and Riot grrrls write their own music. Avril does not. From a musical sense, her songs are bouncy, and her singing is melodic. Therefore she is a pop singer. Her music and image is far too clean to be alternative. Alternative can't be mainstream. It invalidates the word.Avril Jr., I feel very sorry for you that you lack a personality so you have to emulate someone else to have a life. Really, I pity you.
Posted by i love Jesus:
ok well i didn't know your sister's name is Avril in that case it's pretty sweet. thank you for explaining it to me.
Posted by Avril Jr.:
I love Jesus Let me give you a history lesson on my "name". I came up with the name because my sisters name is Avril and i used to call my self that and i like listening to the other Avril's music. so thats how i can call myself avril jr. The rest is my point of view.
Posted by i love Jesus:
Avril Jr. i'm not trying to tell you what you're doing i just don't understand how you can call yourself Avril Jr. and say you're not copying her. but as long as you like her for the music not just the image then that's fine. my problem was about 21 posts down or so when you said that anyone who doesn't like her isn't punk. that is in no way true; i've known punks who didn't even like
The Clash and were still punk so not liking a pop star definitely doesn't keep you from being punk. what does it matter anyway? and i still say Avril Lavigne is pop, which isn't restricted to boy bands. i actually just stumbled across a quote from her recently that talked about how she hated everyone calling her music punk all the time 'cause it is what it is and it's actually rock/pop. i can't remember exactly where i saw it or what it said word for word but that was the gist of it. but my original point is, if you're truly being yourself then that's awesome; you've come alot further than most people ever get, just keep doing that and don't ever feel like you have to act like someone else. i didn't mean to sound like i was disrespecting your point of view or accusing you of copying Avril i just meant that i know some people who put waaaaay too much effort into trying to be like some famous person and that's dangerous; i'm just making sure you understand that (that it can be dangerous) and it seems that you have grasped this concept. please don't take offense to my comments; i'm writing out of concern b/c i used to be one of those people who always had to copy someone else to feel cool and now i see how mistaken i was. again, i don't believe you are one of those people, i'm just trying to make sure that you're being yourself. (which it seems you are)
Posted by Avril Jr.:
I love jesus i'm not trying to copy any thing or any one. I have my point of view so dont tell me what i am a not doing. And Avril is punk not pop. Pop is people like boys bands. Just so you understand i'm not copying anyone.
Posted by i love Jesus:
response to o.c.: i didn't know there was a rule that punks couldn't express themselves over the internet. why does that make them shallow? not necessarily saying i am a punk, just saying that there probably are some real punks writing on this site who are definitely not shallow...in fact shallowness is one of the things most punks stand against. and to Avril Jr. earlier you said if someone doesn't like Avril they're not punk and i just wanted to point out that the whole point of punk is not having to fit a certain category or meet certain qualifications; in fact, it's about being yourself, not someone else. by calling yourself Avril Jr. and saying those who don't like her aren't punk you are admitting you don't know much about punk. just be yourself, not Avril. being someone else defeats the purpose of punk. by the way, Avril isn't even punk. she's pop. i'm not saying there's anything wrong with that if she's just being herself, but don't call her punk or try to set qualifications for being punk based on her. don't run around screaming "i'm an original...exactly like Avril!" if you like her music good for you but please don't copy her; i'm sure you're a great person without having to act exactly like somebody else.
Posted by old crap:
I dont understand why people need to even talk about punks. Is a real punk on the site? I dont think so. Punks wont be writing about them selfs so we dont really know how they feel.That reason is do you wont to sit and talk about your self? Punk or not people are different. If a shallow punk writing about the selfs on the site I think your just like everyone else and but shallow,if you dont agree dont be afraid to write back.
Posted by Avril Jr.:
riotgirl, Avril does write her own music so i think u have heard something she wrote.
Posted by i love jesus:
satan'slittlehelper-give you a break about what exactly? the comments or the name? and thank you for the compliments, "i love jesus, too".
Posted by satanslittlehelper:
i love jesus - gimmie a break!
Posted by i love jesus, too:
"I love jesus" you have really good view points and thats cool. thanks for saying what needed to be said.
Posted by punk off:
Hey Real Riot grrl your The weird one. And thats "the point".
Posted by i love jesus:
I just read the comments by Andrew at the bottom and was wondering, how can you say that? Not shopping at the right stores or listening to the right music justifies murder? If people thinks punks are all violent little hoodlums they should take a look at your comments and decide if all the pop culture kids aout there are really so innocent. If you're truly into pop stuff because it's what YOU like then that's just fine but there's no reason to dis everyone who thinks differently! And if that "different" person is doing something truly morally reprehensible (from all I have read Brian wasn't) then wouldn't it be better to reach out to them in love and set them straight rather than kill them in cold blood? If you hate punk so much why are you even reading this article and commenting on it? I have a challenge for you: actually take the time to get to know one punk kid or outcast or freak and see what they're really all about. 9 times out of 10 they're an ordinary person that's actually cool to talk to; they just have some different taste in music or different ideals than you. On the authenticity of punk issue, as long as you know who you are why does it really matter what others think? There's no need to attack everyone that seems to be a poser; that's just creating another exclusive society, much like alot of preps and jocks and such have done. Wasn't part of the point of punk to rebel against that and be accepting of people? It's important to educate people about punks'lives and beliefs so we don't end up with another Brian Deneke situation, but we can do that best by maintaining our integrity and not sinking to the level of those who would have the world believe punk is evil. It will be more convincing if people can see that punks care about the world and accept the people around them; then they can figure out for themselves who the real posers are. Anyway that's what I think.
Posted by Real Riot Grrrl :
Punk is weird. That's the point. btw, "Riot Girl" Good Charlotte is not punk. If you want some real "Riot grrrl" Music, get some Bikini Kill, Bratmobile, X-Ray Spex, Excuse 17, The Bangs,Le Tigre, Patti Smith, or 7 Year B*tch. Punk is dead.- Cue the Crass.
Posted by riotgirl:
punks are so not wierd, they are totally f*ckin cool
Posted by punk off:
Hey I love justin temberlake what the hell are you doing on this wed site. You need to look at punks like people not like weird people. One day a punk will kick your ass.
Posted by loves punk :
ill kick anybodys a$$ that think punk is weird
Posted by IloveJustin Temberlake:
Punks are weird. I love Justin. You people are weird if you are punks.
Posted by punk off:
People that think that punk will go away is wrong. Punk is not something like pop music. And punk is NOT just about music, its about what you feel. Punk has to do with music just as much as another way of life. And riotgirl did you get your name from the good Charlotte cd? Hey Avrils no1 fan get a life.
Posted by Avril Jr.:
Riotgirl I hear you. I dont need to cool it i was expreeing my feelings back. And you sound ok. And Punk off i think you are so right.
Posted by riotgirl:
Hey, Avril jr. F*ckin cool it. i just said that i dont like her. i think she is fake. thats cool that she is doing what she loves, its just i dont like her way and the way she b*tches about sh*t reminds me to much of a pop star. I dont like that. She approaches her music wrong. Seh does not write all her lyrics and i think that is really sh*tty. She cant be "Punk" if she is not expressing herself. she is expressing somebody else. Maybe if i read something she wrote, i would look at her differently. So dont get all pissed off at me for voicing my oppinions.
Posted by nick:
hey what are yu doing
Posted by kevin:
Whats up?
Posted by punk off:
I want to know who really would say they are punk. If your really punk you dont say you are you will be it.
Posted by Avril Jr.:
Avril is so cool and if you dont think so you arnt punk.
Posted by riotgirl:
Okay, the whole subject of what punk is, is dumb. Punks are punks, but i already sad that i just want to say one thing about posers, Avril is a F*ckin poser, thats cool that people like her, but her music is not punk its punk poing music or som sh*t like that
Posted by riotgirl:
I think the whole conversation on whats punk is stupid. I agree with F*ck off and IloveGCandBlink182, Who ever wrote those has cool thoughts.
Posted by F*ck off:
Punks are so cool. They do as they plese when they want to and dont give a f*ck
Posted by IloveGCandBlink182:
Punk is a lifestyle. it is the way a person feels. it is the way to express love for the music. All of you people are dementing the punk scene. Its music. its life. You cant just be labeled punk. Punk is a feeling not a label. So the next time you say bad stuff about the punk scene think about saying that same stuff about the scene you live in. its the same thing. Dont listin to the radio for punk bands either. The radio is dumb and is over rated. The radio doesnt understand the punk scene. They play bands like good charlotte and label them pop-punk. Good charlotte is real punk because of the way they feel. Same with blink 182. People who listen to the radio create a hostile environment for the rest of the punks. The radio allows posers to come into the perfect world of punks. Punks rule. Punk is a feelling not a fashion statement. by wearing "punk clothing" its not bad if you feel that way. Hot topic is a good thing. it sells clothes punks want but cant get other places so dont diss it. Those against punks should all just go away and worry about them selves Punks are the coolest people in the world. they are the smartest and the best. They are not afraid to express themselves and that is cool.
Posted by Punky McPunkerson:
Becuase it's 2:00 AM, I'm an insomniac, and I have nothing better to do. And I'm not Punk.
Posted by Jones:
if you all think your so punk - then why the f**k are you pissing about on this message board?
Posted by gutterslut:
punk has been catergorized as a image now days now you have to have the look and not the rock all these bands suck like good charlott and bands like that back in the day you didnt have to have all that the sex pistols the ramones they werent glamour they were punk rock
Posted by Sara:
Right on man. Unfortunately, Punk's been dead for a while. there hasn't been a good Punk band since the 80's. Punk's a genre of music, not a lifestyle. I live how I wanna live. I am an avid fan of Punk rock, but I do not consider myself a Punk rocker.Why? because all that exists theses days is the stereotype and I prefer to be my own person. Instead of a counter-coulture Punk has become a para-culture with fashion trends and an acceptable way of thinking. People need to accept that Punk is a rad genre of music from the 70's and 80's and nothing more.
Posted by satin:
I an personaly a metal head and its because even though new metal is s$%t the old is still cool. From most of the punks I have met it is easy to see thay are not the agresive punks from the 80s and that thay just like how the cloths look and want to be like something out of the movie SLC punk wich is why most kids at my scool are into punk before metal. I bet that there are still some real punks out there but most at my school are f#$%ing bullsh**ers thay try to look like punks yet the little pussys act just like hippies and it really full of crap. I cant stand it when little wanabes go on about there is no such thing as a poser when I f#$king mean it there is I dont care what the f$#k anyone thinks. I also hate it when posers call other people posers to be like something out of SLC punk because it is f$#king easy to see that is were all these little c#nts get there little punk info from but I have to agree i f#@king hate prepy little rednecks so f#$king bad and little preps that think that anything that is not a pussy little joke or a white guy trying to act black is weird
Posted by AVRIL'S NO1 FAN:
IT'S SWEET I LUV AVRIL!!!
Posted by Jessica:
I think that every true punk has there opinions on people, and if you need to mention everytime someone is a poser you have a real problem. who cares if people think there punk, or try to be. ignore them, yes there annoying, and yes they give a bad overall look for punks, but most of them are just kids, and get very little recognition anyways. just remember what u are, and *uck everyone else! they wouldnt let me cuss
Posted by metallica7:
I'm with you on that one Helen... kids today think Blink 182, offspring, and Greenday are punk, their not! Punk was Black Flag, Jodie Fosters Army, Dead Kennendys, Circle Jerks, to name a few. These "TOP 40" Greenday clones that tout themselfs as Punk, are very far from it.
Posted by Helen Bach:
Ha! I was just writing a rant earlier about the "punk army" which is what I called them when I was a kid. You call it "punk police". Same thing. I was grilled by them a lot when I was starting out. I think they do a disservice to punk too because they create a new conformity. Just another way for people to try to be better than each other. Phooey! Nerds are cooler than the punk police~!
Posted by H:
Yeah, you are completely right! offspring are NOT punk although many people would argue otherwise. Good one!
Posted by devil's boss:
i hate linkin park.
Posted by Getalife!:
Man F*ck off You guys need a damn life!
Posted by Thinkaboutit:
hey to all you people who always say that Blink-182 sucks and is not punk. Man If you would listen to them not just judge them on their looks you wouldrealize that they rock!
Posted by realizedyouth:
oh i get it, PUNK POLICE, theres a lot of them in my school. if you like neopunk or anything not related to pennywise, you suck.
Posted by slash:
i hate the way people who want to be punk think that to be punk you have to not shower and that you have excessice jewlery or coloured hair.i myself don't know what punk really is but i think it is a state of mind and soul just like rock n'roll.
Posted by Rockin' Chick:
I have piercings, tatoo, wear barbed wire necklaces, leather, Vans & Puma. lol. Sometimes I color my hair pink or blue, I wear lots of flames and Harley Davidson $#!t but I don't do it trying to put myself in some stereotyped category. I do it cuz it's ME. I like it. It's my style...my attitude, as you said Spankersauros. I'm not punk. I don't claim to be. Frankly I don't want to be but some people think I do. I don't even listen to much punk. I listen to everything from 311 to Percy Sledge so..lol..whatever.
Posted by Spankersauros REx:
I break stuff and vandalize things, but that doesn't make me a punk, it's my attitude
Posted by Hoe/slut:
They shouldn't judge me by how I look, because I'm not a slutor a hoe.
Posted by sporty sport:
They shouldn't judge me like that.
Posted by fly_molo:
oh yea...OPIVY ROCKS!!!
Posted by fly_molo:
i hate people who think they're all punk and whatnot just cause they go around causing trouble, vandalizing, and breaking public as well as private property
Posted by Kath:
I completley AGREE.
Posted by GREENMUSE:
Im sorry. If I wouldve known. I would have liked you. I just cant stand em though.Poor people that is. Man those mullets tehe.
Posted by GREENMUSE:
Im sorry. If I wouldve known. I would have liked you. I just cant stand em though.
Posted by metallica7:
damnnnn....
Posted by Greenmuse your a brown eye:
Im thinking this person greenmuse "is" a white trash his/herself. Always talking about "goth" crap, they are the white trash of america. Think about it, they dress and act like they are someone else cause they are the loners of the public looking for an identity. So be honest greenmuse... your the white trash in here not everyone else
Posted by metallica7:
nope, neither one. Happy in my life, I hold a Director job in a company thats Global, perhaps you've heard of them.. Avnet Inc. They are the worlds largest electronics disty company. So no... im not working class.
Posted by Greenmuse:
Your stupid. I bet your poor or working class.
Posted by metallica7:
I thought that was Jerry Garcia ?? Damn and all along....
Posted by DR. FEVER:
GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! Joey ramone is not dead. He had a sex change. He is now the lead vox of booby trap.
Posted by GREENMUSE:
YOUR THE GOTHGOD AND IM THE GOTHGIRL.
Posted by GOTHGOD:
We are so concerned about countering normalsy that weve become trendy little wusses. Its all about fashion dawlin.
Posted by GREENMUSE:
Man, dont talk like that. We want people to get past the stereotypes about upper white subcultures. So we try to instill the ones about lower white cultures or lack of. Cause we know everything.
Posted by SKREWDRIVER::
Punx against morality! ethics! respect! consideration! compassion! private property ! love ! peace! poor whites! christians! themselfes ! truth ! justice ! veterens ! babys ! women ! the elderly ! the law ! good music ! cool clothes ! the working class white ! parents ! i.q.`s ! real rock ! the world !
Posted by SKREWDRIVER:
IAN STUART R.I.P.
Punx against communism!
Posted by X:
I dont beleave they accept everybody. They seem to be kind of simple minded and pretentius when it come to music. And the last concert I went to, noone had a problem except for this gang of punks who tryed ganging up on a guy cause he had long hair. The sound like the headbanger police to me. Just as bad as the preps(in wich a lot of em are these days trying to be deep or tough)when it comes to the treatment of what some politicallt correct liberels and brainwashed fools see as lowbrow trash.
Posted by potato:
Punk hmm thats a tough one three of my very best friends are in a punk band, and they are based around the NOFX style punk, but the thing that got me Greenmuse is that i think your talking about english punks in the 80`s, punk is the one gene of music that has had a huge image change. the NEW punk seems to wear school uniforms and spiky hair, i once saw on "old school" punk with his leather jacket with spikes red braces and union jack doc martins and it most most idiotic, the punks who i know or have talked to at various concerts seem to be nice guys who love there music.
Posted by AKA:
Totally agree 100%. Most punks will accept you for who you are. Although not a punk I am a fan of the genre and I don't like all hardcore punk but that doesn't mean I am not a fan of some. And it's the people who say oh you like Millencolin you're not a true punk who need to shut up.
Posted by AKA:
Totally agree 100%. Most punks will accept you for who you are. Although not a punk I am a fan of the genre and I don't like all hardcore punk but that doesn't mean I am not a fan of some. And it's the people who say oh you like Millencolin you're not a true punk who need to shut up.
Posted by everybody:
Oh, shut up you sad-sack.
Posted by midget:
well all you basterd boy band listeners out there, go to hell with your
queer boy bands that take it in the ass!!!
Punk is all about UNITY!!!
here is a story for ya.
I was at a concert, for local bands
and this straight edge chick ratted
out my friend Matt and his two friends, she
said that they beat her little bro, after a concert.
but she didnt know if it was them or not
she just said that it was a punk from 'shwa
wearing a leather jacket with spikes
and they blamed them!!!
THIS IS NOT UNITY
so be kind to all the punx out there
R.I.P joey Romone
Posted by somebody:
Oh shut the f*ck up, you are taking this stuff WAY too seriously.
Posted by nobody:
hey, i read all the different postings below and i have to agree that punk is being destroyed by posers. They dress punk so their preppy friends think they're daring and out there. They wear all the most well known punk band's shirts but obviously don't listen to the lyrics. They come to the scene and bring their mainstream thoughts and actions and ruin everything. At least that's the way it is where i live. and i wonder if i haven't missed the punk movement, cause i'm new to it, but i come online and hear from kewl people like all you guys, and i see there still people who care what it's really about. and sometime we're all going to get together and do something to make punk right again. what it needs is a change. From what i understand when it got started punks were scary(not that we want to frighten people, but people fear what they do not understand, now it's all just considered youthful rebellion) to other people and nobody that wasn't punk would dare dress that way. but punk has been the same for so long that nobody thinks anything of it. so posers rip it off. punk needs a radical change, something shocking that stupid posers won't try to do for a while. i mean the ideas of it are still great, but i think alot of the movement has grown stagnant. It will come back, or something similar in it's place. There will always e people who are disatisfied with and reject the way things are, and they will be the punks
Posted by BunnyChaser02:
Punk was screwed up by the American media a long time ago. Punk is an idea, a wide ranging one at that. Rules, doctrine, whatever you want to call it, it's been infesting punk for over 20 years and today's punks are the demented and dispoable bastard offspring of all the previous fools who stand in line.
Posted by metallica7:
Blink 182 ??? man .. those guys SUCK ! And i never considered Greenday punk, and on the same note the Offspring just follows whatevers current (trend wise) and have never really stayed in one music catagory, so you cannot even label them punk.
Posted by LondonCalling:
Punk has never died, it just reaches high points, and really low points. When the punk in the mainstream sucks look to the underground. Remember all the New Wave punk crap of the 80's that was mainstream, if you looked to the underground you'd see so many great bands during that time. But being mainstream isn't always THAT bad. 1994 to 1995. The punk revival, Rancid, Greenday Offspring, Bad Religion, Nofx all scored big, and wheter you like it or not all those bands were fukin amazing at the time, so what if they were mainstream, the mainstream came to them, all those bands had been paying their dues for years, and I remember at that time the underground really sucked compared to what was going on in the mainstream. It's one thing to get famous on your talent, it's another thing to get famous on looks like Blink182 for example, thats just totally wrong.
What I'm trying to say is that theres always somewhere to look for to see and hear good punk, mainstream or underground, right now the goods bands are underground, and soon they'll be a big change, maybe not punk, but something's gotta happen real soob and they'll be a whole true rock, punk, whatever revival again.
Posted by holw:
punk died in the mid-80s after band like DK,black flag and others disintegrated.Don't get me wrong.ther're still some good bands left like the new bomb turks and such,but not much.
Posted by GREENMUSE:
hmm thats a new one,operation ivy racists?i cant say i have ever heard that one before.that is totally absurd.like i wannariot said,listen to the lyrics.and besides if they were racists,they would do more than one song about race,and would be much more open about it,see skrewdriver for an example of this.
Posted by IwannaRiot:
You heard wrong pal, the song "Unity" is the complete opposite of what your saying. It's about unity of ALL, to stop the war going on between us. It talks about how our civilization has gone the way of hate and we should all stop fighting and stand together, read the lyrics, it goes on to say how were all the same, unity as one stand together. Operation Ivy are not racists, there lead singer has gone on to be a practicing monk.
Posted by ...:
This goes out to IwannaRiot: I HEARD THE OPERATION IVY SONG ABOUT "UNITY" IS TRULY RACISM, THAT IS, WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK INTO THE LYRICS. IT IS SOMETHING ABOUT WHITES AGAINST BLACKS AND POSSIBLY ETHNIC MINORITIES, I AM NOT SURE. I WOULD NOT CALL THAT UNITY...
Posted by GREENMUSE:
i would pretty much agree with you,punk will always have a defined culture,just the going against the norm,becomes a culture in its own right.a group of like minded people will for simalar thoughts and actions,ways of dress,body adornmant,and dialect all exclusive to that tribe for lack of a better word.you are totally right on the indivuality thing,it should be and i would like to hope for the most part it is.
Posted by Casey_Jones:
I'd even go as far as to say that punk shouldn't be a culture-the entire point of punk, as i understand it, is to go against culture. A true punk ethic should never be trendy-as soon as it becomes fashionable, it ceases to be punk. Those who endorse the current trendy "punk" culture are buying into traditional teen rebellion against parents etc, in previous generations the domain of led zeppelin, iron maiden et al. For me, at least, punk should be an expression of individuality more than anything else.
Posted by Andy craigo:
one of the best articals ive read!!!
Posted by Horace:
Punk rock = excitement.....
Punk culture = destruction
Posted by Slip Pipe:
I think that's spelled, impersonate.
Posted by GREENMUSE:
oh boy,looks like somebody is being a cool guy by impersanating me.
Posted by Ralph Chunks:
That's funny MUSE!
You're a real class act!
Posted by Greenmuse:
Canmy ass get sucked anymore than it does on this site?
I think not!!!
Posted by ShroomDevil: 63.52.136.135
It's just like the grunge thing. Everybody walking around with flannel shirts tied around their waist. People will whine, then everybody will find a new thing to suck dry. Doesn't matter.
Posted by Paul:
Wow the punk scene sounds exactly like the metal scene. The music exists in the underground while all the fake idiots try to pass themselves off as something they're not.
Posted by Lunargoose:
Maybe we've found a use for Limp Bizkit after all; if it wasn't for them, a lot their fans would be polluting the punk scene like so much poseur cholesterol.
Posted by metallica7:
yep you said it Greenmuse! Everybody hurry and run to the mall and get your Doc Martians, and your anarchy shirt and *bam* instant punker! wrong
Posted by GREENMUSE:
i think punk is growing in populairity now because of the dissatisfaction of people with the mainstream music spoon fed to them.right now underground culture is bigger than ever.which is great,fresh new ideas,more diverse crowd.but like you said soon some will find another bandwagen to hop on to.i cant wait for warped tour this year rancid will be there.it irks me to no end when people say rancid sold out,sure they had 1 or 2 vids on mtv,but they werent hocking mountain dew,or sacrificing their integrity.i think of rancid as more than just a punk band,perhaps one of the most vital punk bands to come along in years.
Posted by IwannaRiot:
Punk these days is about unity, anybody that would've listened to Operation Ivy can believe that...Well to most people it is, to some people it's just a real good excuse to do things like get a mohawk. Others think it's just cool, a friend of mine is a Blink182 fanatic, he started liking them cause it's the cool thing to do. The punk community just has to ignore these people, they'll just hop onto the next big trend and go away. The only thing is, punk could be the next big trend again, with all these "pop-punk" bands coming out of the woodwork. If this whole Blink182 style punk explodes to the size of mid 90's punk then everything thats been built up for the last 24(1976) years is gonna go to waste. There are still punk bands out there that are doing it for the right reasons, take Rancid, a popular band that's punk not because it's cool, but cause that's their life, what they live everyday, it's not about money are girls to them, it never was. Even now they still play like it was the days of Gillman street when punk was still something special, not a fashion statement, andf there are many bands out there like that. Keep to your mind and your ideals, think unity not discrimination.
Posted by GREENMUSE:
just a thought,i was listening to a local college station,and they play lots o punk.and i thought came into my wormwood ridden brain,when punk is good,its divine,but when its bad,its BAD.theres no in between.
Posted by metallica7:
yeah i miss the days of Pil , circle jerks, jodi fosters army.. and the like. But its sad now that we have what i call "pop punk" like greenday and the offspring, not taking away from these bands but i hardly consider them punk at all
Posted by GREENMUSE:
how true,it seems passion has gone the way of members only jackets,and leg warmers.it would be nice to have a dead kennedys again,people compare anti flag to em,but to me thats a insult to dk.oh well rancid still puts on one hell of a show,recently saw lars fredrikson and the bastards,pretty damn cool.i think soon a band will come onto the scene and turn it on its ear.hmm think moral minority(shameless promotion)but in all seriousness every time there is a lull somebody comes outta the woodwork to set things straight,a punk messiah if you will
Posted by Lunargoose:
Good punk acts are hard to find. Like GM was saying, it's the image. It used to be so counterculture that anyone associated with it had to have some darn pure passion for it, if only just to put up with being beaten up all the time. Now that the image is so diluted, it seems like the message and passion have, too. Now you can't really find any passion in it at all. Now the best you can get is loud-fast-rules pop. As far as good punk acts go, though, I would put Boy Sets Fire in there, if they count as punk at all.
Posted by iamsocool:
man, we need another good punk artist. We havent had any good punk artists like Sex Pistols or Dead Kennedys in a while. The only punk bands i can stand thesedays are AFI and offspring (even though theve softened up a bit)
Posted by metallica7:
Andrew..run back into the closet with your n'sync dolls and leave the opinions to real minds please . friggen loser
Posted by GREENMUSE:
you are right by calling out the imposters,i am donning the uniform of the punk police,well maybe not the whole thing,just the cap and jackboots.by imposters i mean,the people who dont belive in punk with their minds and hearts.the ideals of unity and acceptance are lost to them.like the people you mentioned buying anarchy wear at the mall.and to andrew down there,where you dropped as a baby or something?nobody deserves to die for anything.some things are never make funny jokes,real situations where real people died is funny never.
Posted by Lunargoose:
I'd always wondered how such a uniform, lockstep, exclusionary subculture as punk could rise from the ideals of DIY and going against the grain. I get sneered at by almost all the punks in my town cause I have long hair and I don't worship at the altar of Fat Wreck Chords. But how do you cry "imposter" without sort of donning that punk police uniform yourself? I'm not criticizing; I'm asking because I honestly don't know myself. I always believed anyone buying any anarchy gear from the mall should just be shot without trial just for that contradiction, but outside of that, what do you do?
Posted by the max:
Andrew...What the hell is it with people like you? Do youl like to get your ass beat by people like me?
Posted by Andrew:
Brian Deneke deserved to die. He was not trendy, so he got what he deserved. 'NSYNC forEVER!
